[01:11] blumiere do you not have op anymore [01:11] or halfop [01:12] apparently i do not [01:12] I was about to ask that too 00[01:12] <@FPzero> no, your parents 03[01:12] * Blumiere (Tomas@the.SMW2.hacker) has left #smwc 03[01:12] * Blumiere (Tomas@the.SMW2.hacker) has joined #smwc [01:12] okay what the shit [01:12] nope [01:12] i didn't even do anything lol 00[01:12] <@FPzero> so that you can get the confirmation code through them 09[01:12] * dax[sleep] is now known as dax[school] [01:13] <%Counterfeit> hi dax bye dax [01:13] i'm genuinely curious 04[01:13] Camerin/FP do you know why? [01:13] hi cou bye cou 00[01:14] <@FPzero> probably backseating or bad attitude or something 00[01:14] <@FPzero> I didn't see anything [01:14] >backseating 12[01:14] * mockingod (mockingod@Outer.Wall) Quit (Quit: sdg) [01:14] >was op [01:15] how does one with halfop status backseat [01:15] can EX staff backseat moderate? [01:15] <%Counterfeit> No. [01:15] i havent done anything bad here for ages [01:15] <%Counterfeit> [citation needed] 00[01:15] <@FPzero> wait [01:15] i personally didnt see blumiere do anything bad either 00[01:15] <@FPzero> I'm confused 00[01:16] <@FPzero> I thought we were talking about leod 00[01:16] <@FPzero> and how he was banned [01:16] backseat moderating [01:16] no we are talking about 04[01:16] Originally, yes, FP. [01:16] why blumiere isnt even on the op team anymore 12[01:16] * Tormentor2 (Tormentor2@and.the.rain.will.kill.us.all) Quit (Quit: a) [01:16] people hate me for dumb reasons 00[01:16] <@FPzero> blu: ignore my previous statements [01:16] [citation needed] 00[01:16] <@FPzero> I was thinking about something else [01:17] why do i have to cite my own behaviour when people like son and probably adam can vouch for me (i forgot how to spell vouch i hope that's right) [01:17] blumiere theres only one explanation [01:17] I could vouch, but I doubt no one would give a damn [01:17] chances are i probably said one stupid thing or kicked a person for a laugh and someone went and bitched about it [01:17] i [01:17] i'll ask kieran later 00[01:18] <@FPzero> alright look 00[01:19] <@FPzero> you were demoted due to your recent behavior [01:19] >recent behavior [01:19] fair enough [01:19] can i know what this recent behaviour is 00[01:19] <@FPzero> this is all in regards to tr9536on, [01:19] <%Counterfeit> and it doesn't help that you seem to believe the whole talk shit crackdown is some imaginary rule that shouldn't be enforced 00[01:19] <@FPzero> and The Thunder [01:19] <%Counterfeit> it's the first link in the topic 04[01:19] this is all in regards to tr9536on, [01:19] This all could have been avoided if he was just banned from the start [01:19] snn and the other mods can [01:19] blumiere cant [01:19] wait wait [01:19] favoritism i see [01:20] <@Kadyastarre> It doesn't quite work that way, no. [01:20] i was demoted for something separate from the site [01:20] er, separate from the irc 03[01:20] * Azumaya (tsundere@8FF9F9AA.38804415.162A69C3.IP) has joined #smwc [01:20] <%Counterfeit> no you weren't [01:20] <%Counterfeit> this is entirely about the irc [01:20] Why was leod and snowshoe banne? [01:20] *banned [01:20] what did i do to the thunder in here? [01:20] he never even comes online [01:20] out of curiosity counterfeit 12[01:20] * Koyuki (tsundere@86052530.BB4A1D9E.162A69C3.IP) Quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Azumaya)) 09[01:21] * Azumaya is now known as Koyuki [01:21] shouldnt snn be demoted or something? [01:21] <@Kadyastarre> You participated in bad-mouthing. 00[01:21] <@FPzero> I'm generalizing here, because this isn't just you, it's number of users in here [01:21] <@Kadyastarre> Witch-hunting, if you will. [01:21] <%Counterfeit> it's been seen and overlooked [01:21] <%Counterfeit> er [01:21] <%Counterfeit> not overlooked but 12[01:21] * THY (chatzilla@caffie-BA581CBA.gv.shawcable.net) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] no snn shouldn't be demoted [01:21] <%Counterfeit> looked over [01:21] <%Counterfeit> wow <_<; [01:21] <@Kadyastarre> Some of us have been watching the IRC lately. [01:21] <@Kadyastarre> #smwc in particular. [01:21] alright so i understand the tristan thing since yeah i helped son out in here [01:21] IGN's Skyward Sword score accidentally went up early 00[01:21] <@FPzero> sonikku, there is a difference between having a laugh at someone, and then having a big repeated laugh, [01:21] <@Kadyastarre> 'particular [01:21] Take a guess [01:21] http://i.imgur.com/5Qpx1.png [01:21] i do not understand the thunder 04[01:22] sonikku, there is a difference between having a laugh at someone, and then having a big repeated laugh, [01:22] yes [01:22] kikz [01:22] i understand this [01:22] lol [01:22] but explain it to me when like 00[01:22] <@FPzero> hang on, I'm gonna quote andy [01:22] one player only?? 00[01:22] <@FPzero> ""God Andy is being an idiot -- look at this thread. [example link]" 00[01:22] <@FPzero> ^ statement of opinion/fact [01:22] but what is my imaginary friend supposed to do while I play skyward sword? [01:22] snn himself told me to notify him whenever tr9536on was on irc [01:22] did i say taht? [01:22] because everything he says was hilarious [01:22] Skyward Sword getting 10/10 wasn't suprising 00[01:22] <@FPzero> no one said that [01:22] that* 00[01:22] <@FPzero> this is an example [01:22] ah [01:22] yeah [01:23] okay so i'm not allowed to talk about the site unless i'm praising the user 00[01:23] <@FPzero> "What the fuck is wrong with Andy? Let's micro-analyze all of his recent posts and find fault with everything he has done lately. Whoa -- he just joined #smwc. Let's make snarky comments and see how he responds. Uh oh. He's getting angry and trying to defend himself. Start sending him links to memes and shock sites. Hahahaha! He just quit IRC. What a nigger-fag. 00[01:23] <@FPzero> Start making snarky responses to his posts on SMWC. Take any legitimate questions he might have and make fun of his bad grammar. Hahahaha! What? You're saying I can't make fun of Andy? This is the internet. Who do you think you are, you Nazi? You can't control us." 00[01:23] <@FPzero> ^ circle jerk of hate (aka trolling, flaming, bullying) [01:23] I can't wait to play it [01:23] fair enough [01:23] Oh look! drama! I wanted to talk about games but I guess you guys are busy. [01:23] <%Counterfeit> blumiere you're so histrionic [01:23] i noticed since this channel got new ops/reop'd older members 03[01:23] * Alcaro (.@caffie-319C7FDB.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #smwc 03[01:23] * AAlcaro (.@caffie-319C7FDB.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #smwc [01:23] the channel has taken a turn for terrible 11[01:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Alcaro 11[01:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o AAlcaro 12[01:23] * @Alcaro (.@caffie-319C7FDB.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Quit: ) 03[01:23] * GN (GN@caffie-2EB778AB.customer.cdi.no) has joined #smwc [01:23] and im not the only one who thinks so [01:23] Remus #smwc is secretly #drama 00[01:23] <@FPzero> what you guys are suddenly seeing is ops actually doing their jobs [01:23] <%Counterfeit> terrible because we're actively protecting our userbase 09[01:23] * AAlcaro is now known as Alcaro [01:24] dax[school] I been here a long time, I know that too well [01:24] <%Counterfeit> instead of catering to the elitist punks who rag on everyone [01:24] cou that's the impression i'm getting 00[01:24] <@FPzero> it may come as a shock to you all, but there is supposed to be active moderation in here [01:24] out of curiosity counterfeit [01:24] I love it when people say that [01:24] <@Kadyastarre> I daresay that has less to do with the ops. [01:24] just out of curiosity [01:24] "omg #smwc is terribad now it sux" [01:24] <@Kadyastarre> And more to do with the people in #smwc. [01:24] not even related to the current convo [01:24] the staff is actually after all this time, do what they are supposed to do [01:24] were you the one who mentioned netcvb on tvtropes months ago? [01:24] *is doing [01:24] <%Counterfeit> rofl no [01:24] <%Counterfeit> i don't use tvtropes [01:24] I'm not hating the ops, you guys do a good job [01:24] someone did [01:24] what! [01:24] <%Counterfeit> unless i read an article or two [01:24] Kadyastarre i think it's all to do with Captain Pissweak leaving the channel [01:24] link that sonikku [01:24] i dont have a link [01:24] That's the sole reason for the downturn in quality here. [01:24] smwc has the best mods I have ever seen 09[01:24] * Kadyastarre is now known as Camerin [01:25] sonikku who found that anyway? [01:25] i forget [01:25] but i'm not overdramatising this, ive been a part of the irc for 3 yeras and have seen 3 years of user bitching and user manipulating in this channel by notable people like snn and that was passed off as a laugh and forgotten about a few days later 00[01:25] <@FPzero> if the channel has taken a "downturn" it's because we're not allowing the circlejerk of trolling and stupidity to go on [01:25] nofunallowed.jpg has become an ideal of this place [01:25] also jayfeather 00[01:25] <@FPzero> blu: yes, that's true and there's not much problem with that [01:25] tsr has great mods too; except one recently went on a rampage and deleted a lot of content for no real reason [01:25] <@Camerin> That is a total caricature, Blumiere. [01:25] lol 00[01:25] <@FPzero> but there has been stuff brought up on tron almost every day [01:25] i recall something similar happening here although the guy on tsr actually left 00[01:25] <@FPzero> for over a week now [01:26] camerin take it from the guy who has been here longer than you [01:26] and has seen what people did to users like harly 00[01:26] <@FPzero> yes, we understand he is not a good user [01:26] harley* [01:26] what did it say sonikku [01:26] <%Counterfeit> there's generally shit going on in this channel every day that mods aren't even around to nail on the spot [01:26] harley [01:26] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:26] <%Counterfeit> and yes, they eventually see every last bit of it [01:26] didn't he 'invent' "custom bossers" 00[01:26] <@FPzero> but it does not give anyone the right to shit on him like this channel has been doing [01:26] yep, his most notable achievement :) [01:26] <@Slash_Man> you do tend to fall into the group of people who rag on others a lot [01:26] <%Counterfeit> Who? [01:26] i wish the "mods" on youtube was as good as ours [01:26] Someone should go make an announcement to tell everyone to change their steam passwords [01:26] <%Counterfeit> oh [01:26] <%Counterfeit> nvm [01:26] <@Slash_Man> Harley was bugging me too but did i always mess with him? [01:26] Hey, while we're on the drama topic, what do people think of me? [01:27] I woudldn't of if it wasn't mentioned elsewhere. [01:27] I don't remember what harley was like [01:27] <%Counterfeit> remus: i haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from you [01:27] <%Counterfeit> you're pretty okay 00[01:27] <@FPzero> Blumiere: and seniority doesn't have as big an effect [01:27] i know everyone thinks im a moron [01:27] oh slash i never messed with harley [01:27] i'm saying others did [01:27] remus i hate you go die in a thousand flaming penises 00[01:27] <@FPzero> so what if camerin has been here less time than you [01:27] <%Counterfeit> correct. seniority means nothing [01:27] Well that's good news, Cou [01:27] <@Slash_Man> and now youre one of those people [01:27] Son :< [01:27] counterfeit [01:27] seniority does mean something [01:27] <%Counterfeit> you can be here for five years and have been a bitch, but in the end, you're still a bitch and not a model user [01:27] I don't actually hate anybody on SMWC 12[01:27] * Adam (Mibbit@caffie-B3C09E.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01:27] yes even you netcvb [01:27] they are the people who have witnessed things others havent [01:27] what, so i told tristan in a query that the fb account son gave him was real [01:27] you are pretty cool [01:27] Cou we had a huge row a while back. Glad that's forgotten then. [01:27] now i'm a horrible person? [01:28] <@Slash_Man> netcvb has done nothing to me for me to hate him 12[01:28] * DJTyphlosion (Mibbit@caffie-67EF74B9.vn.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01:28] yes [01:28] hate is a terribly strong word to use about someone in a chatroom or on a forum 03[01:28] * Adam (Mibbit@caffie-B3C09E.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #smwc [01:28] <@Slash_Man> it takes a lot for someone to get me to hate them [01:28] fuck you internet this was getting good 00[01:28] <@FPzero> if seniority means something, then you all should just listen to me no matter what because I've been here longer than probably 99% of you [01:28] well i know devann does [01:28] i link a thread with the thunder and discuss his post with the general active userbase on the irc agreeing with me, i'm a horrible person? [01:28] he says i trolled him [01:28] I basically don't hate anybody. The only people I hate are those that are deliberately cruel to others or to me. 04[01:28] if seniority means something, then you all should just listen to me no matter what because I've been here longer than probably 99% of you [01:28] tell me then [01:28] even though i didn't on his livestream [01:28] <%Counterfeit> Blumiere: all parties involved should be disciplined 04[01:28] FP I meant that as in I've seen ops and admins mess with users in here, not as a seniority thing [01:28] how long have the ops been doing their jobs properly? [01:28] Why should I put the effort into hating anything if I don't have to? [01:29] <%Counterfeit> how would you like if [01:29] <%Counterfeit> we grabbed one of your posts [01:29] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere, they do it to an extent [01:29] all this time [01:29] <@Camerin> Based on the logs I read, things are often more 'ripped apart by rabid wolves' than 'discussed' on this channel. [01:29] <%Counterfeit> started bashing on you [01:29] <%Counterfeit> and nothing you can do about it 00[01:29] <@FPzero> I'll admit ops have been lax these past few months [01:29] <@Slash_Man> they dont constantly bash them out of the blue [01:29] counterfeit i personally wouldnt give half of a shit [01:29] if i was being an idiot i would not give a crap [01:29] <%Counterfeit> then when you finally show up we troll you to hell and back until you leave [01:29] Well jayfeather, i know everyone doesn't hate me [01:29] <%Counterfeit> well son that's you [01:29] Camerin: Based on the logs I read, things are often more 'ripped apart by rabid wolves' than 'discussed' on this channel. [01:29] <@Slash_Man> and no op is perfect 00[01:29] <@FPzero> that was the whole reason for the restructuring of the ops in the channel [01:29] it only that group of 5 or 6 people that do [01:29] if people trolled me and made me leave smwc [01:29] Quote of the day, Camerin [01:29] who cares [01:29] some people probably do but I wouldn't worry about it [01:29] people on smwc dont care for me [01:29] i would move on with life [01:29] So, this is our fault when they arent banned immediately due to stupid behavior? [01:29] Sonikku I will always care for you [01:29] i do [01:29] :) [01:29] what the hell when did i ever troll someone so much it was worthy of something like that [01:29] this* [01:30] I care about everyone [01:30] <%Counterfeit> adam it's not your job to rag on people. you tell a mod or an op then leave them alone 00[01:30] <@FPzero> it's your fault when you act the way you do towards them [01:30] <%Counterfeit> how hard is that to understand? [01:30] When I do tell a mod jack shit gets done. [01:30] <%Counterfeit> also you're one of the people on extremely thin ice, adam 04[01:30] fpzero [01:30] oh come on [01:30] that is common sense [01:30] <@Camerin> Moderators have lives. [01:30] <%Counterfeit> ^ [01:30] wat [01:30] <@Camerin> We can't be available to solve problems 24/7. [01:30] is [01:30] everyone is responcible for their own actions [01:30] going on here [01:30] Man the whole site needs to come on and sort out everything [01:30] mods can't always be there [01:30] ?_? [01:30] we tell you people are being idiots on the irc and you pin the blame on us for not being nice or similiar [01:30] Well atleast one person should be able to solve it then [01:30] but no one ever does [01:30] like the problems between users [01:30] if a member is an idiot, they had better be prepared for some trolling [01:30] <@Slash_Man> i would have done stuff in the past but i have things to deal with myself now [01:30] i mean on pixeltendo [01:31] people trolled the shit out of megafonzie [01:31] and other things [01:31] yeah but [01:31] <%Counterfeit> we're pinning the blame on you for not behaving responsibly [01:31] odd how he is a semi-decent member on forums now [01:31] why did they control megafonzie [01:31] <@Camerin> Sonikku: that's not fair. The idea of 'idiot' is totally subjective. [01:31] *troll 00[01:31] <@FPzero> Sonikku: and if a member is actively trolling against a user beyond the normal "haha look at this guy", they had better be prepared for a punishment of their own [01:31] so we're just supposed to live with these users calling us out until you decide to step in? [01:31] <%Megafonzie> sonikku you're hurting my self-image! [01:31] which takes ages usually 04[01:31] okay fp [01:31] yes [01:31] <%Megafonzie> also nope camerin I was actually pretty dumb [01:31] so if someone makes a mistake or says something dumb by accident they deserve to be hated on? [01:31] but regardless [01:31] <%Counterfeit> i'd rather have a user who is somewhat slow but passionate about the hobby than a noncontributer who does nothing but talk shit and drive legit users away [01:31] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:32] <@Slash_Man> tell me something [01:32] <@Slash_Man> when you were a mod [01:32] why did they troll you megafonzie? [01:32] <@Slash_Man> did you deal with things immediately? 00[01:32] <@FPzero> blumiere: so what then, does that give you the right to dispense vigilante "justice" against the people? [01:32] i tried to 00[01:32] <@FPzero> all it does is cause us more problems [01:32] <@Slash_Man> did you jump on it the second things happened? [01:32] i don't? [01:32] slash i remember on several occasions getting blumiere to get rid of spambots, annoyingly spammy members, etc. [01:32] he did his job as good as he could [01:32] <%Counterfeit> and? [01:32] <%Counterfeit> look at what he's become. [01:32] <@Slash_Man> yeah and so are we 00[01:32] <@FPzero> now we have to sit here and deal with this whole issue of various members of this channel causing trouble [01:32] yes i'm an arrogant douchebag who everyone should hate now 04[01:32] fpzero [01:32] I havent noticed a single thing about blumiere change [01:33] <@Slash_Man> i cant always be here, i have work and a kid to take care of [01:33] he's the same as he always was [01:33] if these "various members" are such an issue [01:33] he just quit his position [01:33] Why does everyone have a problem with Blu [01:33] it's not a coincidence only staff members seem to have this impression of me [01:33] you should do the right thing [01:33] I haven't seen any in justices done [01:33] be a good mod and ban them [01:33] Was there done huge incident aside from Mr. Rigdon? [01:33] see, these people are the ones who actually know me [01:33] wait, i thought blumiere was still on staff [01:33] why was he tooken off of the staff? [01:33] That's what we're talking about netcvb [01:33] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:33] <@Slash_Man> honestly [01:33] <@Slash_Man> you did become a bit of a douche [01:34] slash [01:34] <@Slash_Man> youre like at that age [01:34] honestly [01:34] agreed i did :V [01:34] i didnt see that in him [01:34] to be 100% honest [01:34] i did become a bit of a douche [01:34] he is still the same person [01:34] i hated the userbase for a few weeks [01:34] <@Slash_Man> i did a couple months prior to his resignation [01:34] that was when i first asked snn to demote me, but he convinced me to stay [01:34] i kept being a douche and that's why i left in july [01:34] i don't think it warrants a ban or something of that sort [01:34] <%Counterfeit> are you saying you don't know how to control yourself? [01:34] you're mostly an okay person [01:35] Out of everyone on here, who would actually support me to be on the staff? [01:35] I have always been wondering that [01:35] <%Counterfeit> netcvb: your body is not ready 00[01:35] <@FPzero> netcvb, please [01:35] <%Megafonzie> oh for christ's sake [01:35] for real, probably no one 00[01:35] <@FPzero> we're talking more important things 11[01:35] * Camerin sets mode: +b *!*Mibbit@*.FCE473E5.AF07DFC3.IP [01:35] <@Camerin> Total bullshit. [01:35] <%Counterfeit> whut [01:35] ... [01:35] was that netcvb 00[01:35] <@FPzero> what was that [01:35] <@Camerin> Has no idea how to be productive or contribute positively. [01:35] <%Megafonzie> I agree with this action honestly [01:35] what. [01:35] camerin banned netcvb 00[01:35] <@FPzero> ah [01:35] good job camerin [01:36] prepare to be demoted [01:36] lol Camerin 08[01:36] * netcvb was kicked by Megafonzie (and so ends final judgment) [01:36] If you're finished now? [01:36] CO OP KILL [01:36] megafonzie that'll last a good 3 days [01:36] <%Megafonzie> judgement gugjmetn jug jam [01:36] are you saying you don't know how to control yourself? [01:36] Megafonzie is the most border-line guy on this channel honestly [01:36] i tried, it's hard [01:36] the op duo finishes off another opponent [01:36] <%Counterfeit> not really [01:36] that's why i left staff since i realised that in myself [01:36] <%Megafonzie> ?_? [01:36] this conversation [01:36] is so intense [01:36] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:37] this conversation is ridicolous. [01:37] <@Slash_Man> that doesnt justify playing along with the taking shits on the userbase [01:37] <%Counterfeit> this conversation is bonkers(TM) [01:37] <%Megafonzie> dax are you calling me unstable [01:37] ridiculous* @mue [01:37] go away Sonikku! [01:37] megafonzie youre borderline human and walrus [01:37] i want to watch how this turns out but i have to school [01:37] seriously what the hell is the problem with linking a post on the site and talking about it, even if it's to have a good laugh? [01:37] what happened in 2011 that makes it different than 2007-2010 [01:37] <@Slash_Man> yeah im guilty of being "lolkissass" at times but i dont drag it on [01:38] <@Camerin> But people here don't "talk about it" [01:38] <@Camerin> They tear into it. [01:38] <@Camerin> Brutally criticize every tiny mistake. [01:38] of course they do [01:38] <%Megafonzie> camerin how do people grow without things like that [01:38] <@Camerin> There [01:38] <%Counterfeit> except 99% of the time you guys aren't being constructive [01:38] <%Counterfeit> and the "criticism" in question [01:38] <@Camerin> is a difference between helping them grow and stepping on their plant. [01:38] <%Counterfeit> never gets to the original person [01:39] <%Counterfeit> you just bash them [01:39] <@Slash_Man> ^ [01:39] <%Counterfeit> it's like a little hate club on an elementary school playground [01:39] counterfeit on the note of critisism [01:39] <%Megafonzie> well I guess but it'll get to them in the way they're treated elsewhere [01:39] i remember getting demoted + banned from #oceanshrine like a year ago [01:39] that is a good [01:39] metaphor? [01:39] <%Megafonzie> so like indirectly it does yeah [01:39] without being given any sort of chance [01:39] <%Counterfeit> Sonikku: i don't remember that [01:39] <%Counterfeit> you'll have to talk to azurik about it [01:39] so all those posts the thunder has read aimed at himself for his shit behaviour are just being ignored right now? [01:39] including the ones i wrote? [01:39] i remember it was you and aquifer who decided to ban me just randomly one day [01:39] <@Slash_Man> but behind his back? [01:39] <@Slash_Man> why dont you tell him upfront? [01:40] nobody gave me 'critisism' of how to improve [01:40] i have [01:40] :\ [01:40] instead i was just plainly banned [01:40] <@Slash_Man> then drop it [01:40] <@Slash_Man> let him be a "bad user" [01:40] <@Slash_Man> stop the bashing [01:40] same with me getting demoted from #lolmusic which you and jimmy discussed without giving me a chance [01:40] i don't bash him [01:40] bashing isn't saying "haha what an idiot" [01:40] you were talking about me behind my back and then ganged up on me [01:40] so kind of an ironic situation [01:40] <%Counterfeit> actually [01:40] isn't it? [01:40] <%Counterfeit> you were abusing power [01:40] <%Counterfeit> in #lolmusic [01:40] <%Counterfeit> and a TON of people complained to me [01:41] <%Counterfeit> and i took it up with jimmy [01:41] <%Megafonzie> honestly I think these situations are slightly exaggerated [01:41] i recall kicking people as a joke [01:41] along with every other mod in that channel at the time [01:41] <%Counterfeit> jimmy dealt with you but he was also pissed at me [01:41] slightly exaggerated? [01:41] they're made into huge deals and this shit happens [01:41] <%Megafonzie> when someone links a post it's usually just like haha is he serious [01:41] <%Megafonzie> and like 20 people say that [01:41] <%Megafonzie> at most [01:41] <%Megafonzie> and then we discuss other stuff [01:41] <@Slash_Man> yeah and just leave it at that [01:41] and no harm was done [01:41] <@Slash_Man> you then like delve into other things about said user [01:41] but apparently that's still grounds for a crackdown 00[01:41] <@FPzero> it's when it devolves into hours of bashing against the guy [01:41] <@Slash_Man> it doesnt only boil doen to that 00[01:42] <@FPzero> that's when it's a problem [01:42] hours? [01:42] <@Slash_Man> yes hours [01:42] when has it even gone past 5 or 10 minutes [01:42] it's never lasted for hours unless SNN was in on it 00[01:42] <@FPzero> combined total has been hours [01:42] and even then [01:42] never that long [01:42] <%Counterfeit> the staff have all the logs from the past month and a half [01:42] <%Megafonzie> I don't keep logs 00[01:42] <@FPzero> at this point you're arguing semantics [01:42] <%Counterfeit> and yes it has gone on for hours even without snn [01:42] <%Megafonzie> :<>: [01:42] so what if the combined total is hours, doesnt that say something about the user in question rather than those talking about him? [01:42] counterfeit i have an idea then [01:42] I do :P [01:42] there are so many "problem" users in here [01:42] how come i get my halfop taken away from me because of a user who consistently acts like an idiot on the site 00[01:42] <@FPzero> the point is that when it goes beyond normal "haha, look at this guy", that's when it's a problem [01:42] my #smwc log is like 20 mb [01:42] or something 00[01:42] <@FPzero> I've said this three times now [01:42] <%Counterfeit> actually not so many problem users.. just like [01:42] <%Counterfeit> 5 or 6 [01:43] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:43] <%Counterfeit> and 4 extremely bad ones 00[01:43] <@FPzero> yet you guys don't seem to get it [01:43] wouldnt it, in theory, be best to get rid of them so they dont scare off the members [01:43] <@Slash_Man> why did you always look for his bad posts? [01:43] #war [01:43] <@Slash_Man> that wouldnt have happened if you had just dropped it [01:43] because that would dramatically improve the channel [01:43] i look for his bad posts? [01:43] he posts in social forums [01:43] <%Counterfeit> we've been discussing it to come to a reasonable agreement on them and yeah it's dropping on them shortly [01:43] <%Counterfeit> just wait and see ;P [01:43] that's where i hang out, of course i'll see them [01:43] counterfeit just saying [01:43] <@Slash_Man> then ignore him [01:43] <%Megafonzie> well counterfeit at least for irc stuff what usually happens if someone's an idiot lately is I'll ban them [01:43] <%Megafonzie> and then like [01:43] i am guarenteeing that these people are me and adam [01:43] why do i have to ignore him [01:43] primarily [01:43] correct? [01:43] why do any of us have to [01:44] get rid of him and we'll stop pointing out how stupid they are [01:44] I'd like to ask as well [01:44] <%Counterfeit> You will see [01:44] <%Megafonzie> with that tron guy he was unbanned so that they could make fun of him more [01:44] <%Counterfeit> is all i'm saying :V 00[01:44] <@FPzero> why do you have to point him out all the time and make fun at him? [01:44] <%Megafonzie> and like [01:44] am I one of those "bad ones"? 00[01:44] <@FPzero> why do any of you have to? [01:44] i dont point him out all the time |B| [01:44] I think I may have bashed a user or two [01:44] <%Counterfeit> SNN admitted it was a mistake @megafonzie [01:44] counterfeit give me a sneak peek [01:44] <%Counterfeit> nope son [01:44] <%Megafonzie> with netcvb it's just like he's been banned "forever" 8642577 times [01:44] <%Counterfeit> you'll have to pry it from my cold dead body >:E [01:44] netcvb was different though 00[01:44] <@FPzero> blumiere: if you haven't noticed yet, you are not the only one "on trial" [01:44] no seriously cou [01:44] i already know i am on the list [01:44] oh [01:44] who else is 00[01:44] <@FPzero> I'm speaking to the whole of the channel because it is not just you at fault here [01:44] i just want to know who else i should get in contact with before i get kicked out of here [01:45] <%Counterfeit> lawl [01:45] ^ [01:45] wat [01:45] so i can still talk to some friends [01:45] what'd I do? ;v [01:45] nothing [01:45] <%Counterfeit> bluemoon [01:45] <%Counterfeit> you made the moon blue [01:45] <%Counterfeit> ban [01:45] olo [01:45] <@Slash_Man> give me some bluemoon beer first [01:45] Noooo Dx [01:45] <%Megafonzie> can someone please clearly lay out to me the points which we need to discuss [01:45] <@Slash_Man> i havent tried that yet [01:45] <%Megafonzie> I'd find that useful 11[01:45] * Camerin sets mode: -b *!*Mibbit@*.FCE473E5.AF07DFC3.IP [01:45] <@Slash_Man> stop the constant bashing [01:45] users in general seem to talk behind other users backs in here too much [01:46] <%Counterfeit> Megafonzie: instances of trolling and seeding it [01:46] <%Counterfeit> basically 00[01:46] <@FPzero> slash: Tastes like Ass, seriously [01:46] those include me, son and a few others cou doesn't want to disclose 00[01:46] <@FPzero> dont' try it [01:46] <%Counterfeit> all parties involved are to be kicked as a warning and banned if it doesn't sink in [01:46] <%Counterfeit> these are kieran's words 04[01:46] <@Slash_Man> FPzero [01:46] <@Slash_Man> people have told me Heineken was good [01:46] <@Slash_Man> i hated it 03[01:46] * netcvb (Mibbit@AA390A47.FCE473E5.AF07DFC3.IP) has joined #smwc [01:46] those include me, son and a few others cou doesn't want to disclose [01:46] yes [01:46] our opinion is that staff are overreacting and causing trouble for no reason, staff think they're doing the right thing in controlling the channel like so [01:46] that's the basic jist of it [01:46] <@Slash_Man> lately though ive been drinking Corona 00[01:46] <@FPzero> so then what is the right thing blu 00[01:46] <@FPzero> tell me 00[01:46] <@FPzero> what is right here? [01:47] <%Counterfeit> basically the staff are causing trouble because the staff haven't even been aware of the situation and are now finally doing something about it. [01:47] <%Counterfeit> seems right [01:47] <%Counterfeit> 06[01:47] * Blumiere is typing one sec [01:47] well what are the main points of disscussion righ now, so i know what we are talking about [01:47] <%Counterfeit> so basically blumiere's logic = "no mods = good mods" [01:47] counterfeit it seems to me though [01:47] *right [01:47] <@Slash_Man> netcvb [01:47] even with kierans new setup of the op team [01:47] <@Slash_Man> just stay out of it [01:47] my god let me type [01:47] <%Megafonzie> I've been doing stuff about this for like ever [01:47] there STILL arent any mods online when the 'trouble times' are [01:47] becase i am kind of lost [01:47] i can see exactly why my halfop was removed in relation to tristan, since i WAS being a douche then, so i'm in agreement with cracking down on users directly [01:47] <%Megafonzie> and I've told the channel's users to behave [01:47] <%Counterfeit> Megafonzie: yes [01:47] <%Counterfeit> but you're one of like, few [01:47] <%Megafonzie> and I was explicitly told by snn that this is the wrong way to handle it [01:48] <%Megafonzie> so now I just ban idiots [01:48] however i dont see logic in banning users from talking about posts on the site, especially if it's for a bit of humour [01:48] the reality though is counterfeit [01:48] i do believe that a lot of the ops kieran got on in here [01:48] <@Slash_Man> Blumiere [01:48] are too concentrated into a single area of the world [01:48] <@Camerin> It's not for talking about posts. [01:48] <@Camerin> It's for spreading rumours about users. 12[01:48] * Chuckles (loldead@caffie-CF6E801C.netamu.getthewave.com) Quit (Quit: switching to ubuntu) [01:48] <@Slash_Man> remember how annoying Dinomar used to be when he'd link "stupid posts"? [01:48] <%Counterfeit> well they're supposed to focus on the channel [01:48] thus there arent mods on during certain times when mods are actually needed [01:48] <%Counterfeit> why care about the world? [01:48] <@Slash_Man> i recall very well that you hated it [01:48] im saying cou [01:48] I say that the regular users are keeping the site more under control than the staff is [01:48] <%Counterfeit> and so belated action is taken [01:48] each mod needs to do their jobs when possible [01:48] netcvb please [01:48] <%Counterfeit> we take time to discuss it so as to avoid impulsive decisions [01:48] i didnt hate it, i just made it a running joke for when dinomar came in i'd be like "inb4helinksapost" [01:48] just [01:49] in the nicest way possible [01:49] i serious [01:49] *i'm [01:49] <%Counterfeit> we can't remove people based on emotions and shit like that [01:49] i didn't hate it, the posts he linked were genuinely funny [01:49] kieran needs to be able to have mods to control the channel during the certain periods of times [01:49] <%Counterfeit> it has to have some logical basis [01:49] and we had a good laugh [01:49] please be quiet and let these people handle it themselves [01:49] thats the NICEST thing i can say to you atm [01:49] Mue being nice. :v [01:49] well who says regular users should have voice on this kind of stuff mue? [01:49] <@Slash_Man> the thunder gets butthurt too easily [01:49] <%Counterfeit> oh 04[01:49] fp do you get me yet [01:49] <@Slash_Man> simple as that 03[01:49] * Tormentor2 (Tormentor2@and.the.rain.will.kill.us.all) has joined #smwc [01:49] *shouldn't [01:49] <%Counterfeit> now i get what you're saying son [01:49] <%Counterfeit> lol [01:49] <@Slash_Man> hes not being a total douchebag spreading drama spam and trolling other users [01:50] <@Slash_Man> hes just very emotional [01:50] wait 00[01:50] <@FPzero> blu: we disagree on things here [01:50] there WAS one post he made that i saw before he edited it 00[01:50] <@FPzero> you don't see yourself as having done anything wronger than normal [01:50] there are too many "american" ops that are covering the basis of the "american time" right now [01:50] <@Camerin> It's not like the users people on #smwc are saints in any way, but all IRCers are doing by bad-mouthing and mocking these users is fanning the flames, so to speak. [01:50] he was flaming the user [01:50] <%Counterfeit> also son i do agree we need some overnight ops [01:50] like [01:50] as i recall [01:50] make mue op [01:50] he'd be cool 04[01:50] <%Counterfeit> so far like megafonzie and slash and maybe fp are the only ones [01:50] he's not emotional like i am 00[01:50] <@FPzero> and I see what you guys are doing as an extended trolling effort against tron [01:50] <%Counterfeit> and i'm only on nights here 2 nights a week <.< 00[01:50] <@FPzero> and others on occasion 04[01:50] camerin, fp, slash, buster, you, and mega are all american ops [01:50] that is like [01:50] <%Counterfeit> a lot of america [01:50] well over 50% of the op team [01:50] i wish kieran was on here right now [01:50] <%Counterfeit> fuck yeah america [01:50] <%Megafonzie> I'm not on overnight anymore because I'm in school [01:50] i just want to know though [01:51] <@Slash_Man> the european mods dont come on till later [01:51] like, i understand everything you guys are saying and stuff [01:51] <@Camerin> I'm Canadian. [01:51] <@Camerin> But thanks. [01:51] <%Megafonzie> I'm just up late tonight because tomorrow's a holiday [01:51] <%Counterfeit> lol [01:51] camerin 03[01:51] * Chuckles (loldead@caffie-CF6E801C.netamu.getthewave.com) has joined #smwc [01:51] i mean american as in [01:51] same [01:51] <@Slash_Man> it would be nice if we spread the timezones by 8 hours [01:51] american time zones [01:51] <%Megafonzie> canada is in america [01:51] it's just i want to know what was wrong with how #smwc has been for the last 3 years [01:51] <%Megafonzie> come on dude [01:51] me and megafondle have the same timezone [01:51] <%Counterfeit> that's [01:51] <%Counterfeit> what [01:51] <%Counterfeit> we've been talking about 00[01:51] <@FPzero> moderation has been lax in #smwc for a long time now [01:51] <%Counterfeit> v.v [01:51] <@Camerin> It isn't exactly all three years, by what I know. [01:51] np [01:51] so I guess if things have gotten bad, then SNN is wrong [01:51] <@Camerin> #smwc used to be so cool. 00[01:51] <@FPzero> and it's been a problem we haven't addressed in a long time [01:51] and things have changed [01:51] and I didnt deserved to get chewed out for saying so [01:51] <%Megafonzie> frankly I like it lax [01:51] <@Camerin> But, lately, something about the atmosphere here changed. 04[01:51] fpzero [01:51] sounds to me like 00[01:51] <@FPzero> now that we have addressed it and assigned ops that plan to sit in the channel and watch it [01:51] the ops havent been doing there job [01:51] <@Camerin> It became more hostile. [01:51] and the mod on #smwc needs to be better [01:52] deserve* [01:52] no it hasn't [01:52] hasnt it [01:52] and more stricter [01:52] ^ @ megafonzie with the lax thing [01:52] I just hope I'm not one of the really bad users 00[01:52] <@FPzero> you guys are suddenly surprised by the actual moderation going on in here [01:52] <@Slash_Man> Jay youre fine [01:52] the last thing I want is to be banned 04[01:52] no fp i am not 00[01:52] <@FPzero> aonikku: exactly, which is why there was a shuffling of ops [01:52] <@Camerin> You won't be. 04[01:52] <%Counterfeit> 01:52:10 <@FPzero> you guys are suddenly surprised by the actual moderation going on in here [01:52] since I love you guys [01:52] what actual moderation [01:52] <%Counterfeit> this [01:52] jay nobody on hre is a bad users [01:52] {B| [01:52]